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Enaris Kerle GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 157	Posted - 2014.09.29 18:32:00 - [1] - Quote Behr Oroo wrote: Your poor attempt to claim it would increase prices is just that. A poor attempt. Unless of course you are one of the moon miners and the idea upsets you. If more people have access to the materials, how exactly do you figure prices will go up? Do you expect people (who exactly?) to scan every moon once a week to see if they've won big in the moon lottery? And, since your alliance already nationalizes high-end moons: why would you assume that would change? They (probably) have a director-level API key of your alt corp, so they can just do API pulls to check and tell you to hand in the high-end moon goo that suddenly turned up on your moons. Gallente born and raised, and tutored as a pleasure slave and courtesan to the exotic tastes of the Amarri court. Jade's career veered violently off course when a diplomatic envoy's transport was blown to pieces in mysterious circumstances and she was rescued from the escape pods by the enigmatic genetic mastermind Athule Snanm.
Enaris Kerle GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 157	Posted - 2014.09.29 18:44:00 - [2] - Quote Behr Oroo wrote: Enaris Kerle wrote: Do you expect people (who exactly?) to scan every moon once a week to see if they've won big in the moon lottery? And, since you said your alliance already nationalizes high-end moons: why would you assume that would change? They (probably) have a director-level API key of your alt corp, so they can just do API pulls to check and tell you to hand in the high-end goo that suddenly turned up on your moons. Yes. I do expect people to actually work for their moon goo. There was another question in that quote. Why do you expect that your alliance would suddenly change policy and allow you to keep your high-end moon goo? In addition to your response: Why exactly would prices drop if people have to expend more work? Gallente born and raised, and tutored as a pleasure slave and courtesan to the exotic tastes of the Amarri court. Jade's career veered violently off course when a diplomatic envoy's transport was blown to pieces in mysterious circumstances and she was rescued from the escape pods by the enigmatic genetic mastermind Athule Snanm.
Enaris Kerle GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 159	Posted - 2014.09.29 19:37:00 - [3] - Quote Retar Aveymone wrote: Petre en Thielles wrote: All these changes would do is let the already huge alliances take control of even more of 0.0. The only way I could support this is if it was simultaneous with a significant nerf to caps/supercaps. please point out on a map the spots we have not taken over don't worry, I'll wait uua-f4 Gallente born and raised, and tutored as a pleasure slave and courtesan to the exotic tastes of the Amarri court. Jade's career veered violently off course when a diplomatic envoy's transport was blown to pieces in mysterious circumstances and she was rescued from the escape pods by the enigmatic genetic mastermind Athule Snanm.
Enaris Kerle GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 159	Posted - 2014.09.29 19:49:00 - [4] - Quote Petre en Thielles wrote: baltec1 wrote: We want those nerfed too. No you don't. If you actually wanted them nerfed, you wouldn't have so many ready to go. Are you aware of the concept of Mutually Assured Destruction? Gallente born and raised, and tutored as a pleasure slave and courtesan to the exotic tastes of the Amarri court. Jade's career veered violently off course when a diplomatic envoy's transport was blown to pieces in mysterious circumstances and she was rescued from the escape pods by the enigmatic genetic mastermind Athule Snanm.
Enaris Kerle GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 159	Posted - 2014.09.29 20:26:00 - [5] - Quote Retar Aveymone wrote: we dominate all lesser people as viciously as possible with the broken mechanic so that their suffering will convince ccp to fix it nb: running a broken mechanic into the ground by making the whole CFC abuse it mercilessly has proven time and again the best way to force CCP to look at something PotatoOverdose wrote: ITT: Established sov alliances want dense, fortified space cities where they and their renters can rat in safety, away from the scary fozzie-ceptor gangs. Also, sprinkling about npc stations literally everywhere to counter any power projection nerf would be greeaaaat. Oh, and much faux-concern over the hypothetical small, independent sov entity, with little actual change to the existing coalition meta. I see you ran out of arguments and have retreated to mud-flinging E-2C Hawkeye wrote: Ok I was all for this concept. If it is being supported by goonies, then I have to admit I am a little nervous. Goonies never support anything they cannot exploit. if you actually believe that you should probably just go kill yourself (ingame) Gallente born and raised, and tutored as a pleasure slave and courtesan to the exotic tastes of the Amarri court. Jade's career veered violently off course when a diplomatic envoy's transport was blown to pieces in mysterious circumstances and she was rescued from the escape pods by the enigmatic genetic mastermind Athule Snanm.
Enaris Kerle GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 159	Posted - 2014.09.29 20:31:00 - [6] - Quote Veers Belvar wrote: This would be more compelling if your supercapital fleet wasn't sitting in drydock because your organization is far too risk averse to willingly commit it to a potentially even fight against N3/PL..... when we commited our super fleet last time, it went on for 20 hours, and no fun was had by anyone, but afterwards there was an article on the BBC e: also the servers broke and the only thing doing reliable damage in the system was titan doomsdays Gallente born and raised, and tutored as a pleasure slave and courtesan to the exotic tastes of the Amarri court. Jade's career veered violently off course when a diplomatic envoy's transport was blown to pieces in mysterious circumstances and she was rescued from the escape pods by the enigmatic genetic mastermind Athule Snanm.
Enaris Kerle GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 159	Posted - 2014.09.29 20:56:00 - [7] - Quote PotatoOverdose wrote: What part of that is mud flinging? Allowing any coalition to condense all of it's nullbears and renters into a couple of constellations or less is the definition of dense, fortified space cities. This would give a massive buff to the safety of your nullbears and renters. We've already condensed our nullbears into a handful of systems, because the rest is useless for everyone who isn't botting. Those systems still see ratting ships ganked, because people rat while AFK (because ratting is the most soul-crushingly boring activity you can do in EVE bar flying a freighter) and only notice when they get their shield/armor warning. Heavypredator Singh wrote: Limit fights in system to 1 fleet per side. No broken servers. Actual skill of ppl fighting matters. If coalitions can't limit themselves to have a good time force them :> Who gets to decide which fleet is on which side? If GSF and NC. are fighting over, say, a moon, is PL allowed to jump in? Do they have to shoot both fleets? What happens if they don't? What happens if they wanted to shoot both fleets, but they did more damage to one or the other? Gallente born and raised, and tutored as a pleasure slave and courtesan to the exotic tastes of the Amarri court. Jade's career veered violently off course when a diplomatic envoy's transport was blown to pieces in mysterious circumstances and she was rescued from the escape pods by the enigmatic genetic mastermind Athule Snanm.
Enaris Kerle GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 160	Posted - 2014.09.30 09:09:00 - [8] - Quote KatanTharkay wrote: I'm not in any way affiliated to TEST, but when they didn't wanted this type of gameplay (mega-coalitions) and tried to do something else, you crushed them, the "our way or the highway" style. Just saying. you'll have to explain to me how forming a mega-coalition from all of the people we threw out of their space over the years (Honeybadger Coalition) is TEST trying "something else" than mega-coalitions Gallente born and raised, and tutored as a pleasure slave and courtesan to the exotic tastes of the Amarri court. Jade's career veered violently off course when a diplomatic envoy's transport was blown to pieces in mysterious circumstances and she was rescued from the escape pods by the enigmatic genetic mastermind Athule Snanm.
Enaris Kerle GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 160	Posted - 2014.09.30 12:40:00 - [9] - Quote Bunka en Daire wrote: Oh ask yourself how much of those who signed petition are RMT? I bet on my life, that 99% of them are RMT. RIP you Arya Regnar wrote: It surprises me that goons would propose this when it would hurt them the most. we also advocated for the tech nerf when we were one of the biggest tech moon empires in the game Gallente born and raised, and tutored as a pleasure slave and courtesan to the exotic tastes of the Amarri court. Jade's career veered violently off course when a diplomatic envoy's transport was blown to pieces in mysterious circumstances and she was rescued from the escape pods by the enigmatic genetic mastermind Athule Snanm.
Enaris Kerle GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 160	Posted - 2014.09.30 13:02:00 - [10] - Quote Lucas Kell wrote: don't touch the poop Gallente born and raised, and tutored as a pleasure slave and courtesan to the exotic tastes of the Amarri court. Jade's career veered violently off course when a diplomatic envoy's transport was blown to pieces in mysterious circumstances and she was rescued from the escape pods by the enigmatic genetic mastermind Athule Snanm.

Enaris Kerle GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 160	Posted - 2014.09.30 14:11:00 - [11] - Quote Toriessian wrote: So has the anti-occupancy based sov camp come up with a better alternate idea yet? Thats something missing from this thread. the anti-occupancy camp consists entirely of alliances who have no idea whatsoever about how sov works, and CVA, so I'll let you guess whether they were able to come up with an idea Gallente born and raised, and tutored as a pleasure slave and courtesan to the exotic tastes of the Amarri court. Jade's career veered violently off course when a diplomatic envoy's transport was blown to pieces in mysterious circumstances and she was rescued from the escape pods by the enigmatic genetic mastermind Athule Snanm.
Enaris Kerle GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 160	Posted - 2014.09.30 14:33:00 - [12] - Quote Speedkermit Damo wrote: Yes, CCP should only listen to the blue donut boys who broke nullsec in the first place, and not listen to anyone anyone else. Especially not anyone from Providence. The only region where everyone isn't whining about how bored they are. I take it your suggestion is not to change anything, then? Gallente born and raised, and tutored as a pleasure slave and courtesan to the exotic tastes of the Amarri court. Jade's career veered violently off course when a diplomatic envoy's transport was blown to pieces in mysterious circumstances and she was rescued from the escape pods by the enigmatic genetic mastermind Athule Snanm.
Enaris Kerle GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 160	Posted - 2014.09.30 14:39:00 - [13] - Quote Speedkermit Damo wrote: No, lots of things ought to change. Power projection and caps/supers most of all. Okay, let's hear your proposals. Gallente born and raised, and tutored as a pleasure slave and courtesan to the exotic tastes of the Amarri court. Jade's career veered violently off course when a diplomatic envoy's transport was blown to pieces in mysterious circumstances and she was rescued from the escape pods by the enigmatic genetic mastermind Athule Snanm.
Enaris Kerle GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 160	Posted - 2014.09.30 14:50:00 - [14] - Quote Speedkermit Damo wrote: Personally, I'm in favour of removing sov from the game entirely. Replacing sov null with what? FW? Keep in mind that Pre-FW lowsec was the least used space in the game, by a wide margin. Ms Forum Alt wrote: My suggestion nerfs or boosts various areas of nullsec dynamically, meaning that your huge alliance, currently sitting on the best content in game suddenly finds itself sitting on space not much better than low sec. How would that not drive conflict? We (i.e. the CFC) own half of conquerable nullsec. Unless your system is rigged in a way that moves the vast majority of "value" (for whatever metric you want to use) out of our half into N3's, or vice versa, I don't see a meaningful conflict driver. Gallente born and raised, and tutored as a pleasure slave and courtesan to the exotic tastes of the Amarri court. Jade's career veered violently off course when a diplomatic envoy's transport was blown to pieces in mysterious circumstances and she was rescued from the escape pods by the enigmatic genetic mastermind Athule Snanm.
Enaris Kerle GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 160	Posted - 2014.09.30 15:08:00 - [15] - Quote Ms Forum Alt wrote: Do you? Or do you mean to say that some corps have access to the best systems (lowest truesec) and the others can go **** themselves? uh yeah maybe you've not noticed but branch has different truesec from pure blind but somehow it still works out??? Gallente born and raised, and tutored as a pleasure slave and courtesan to the exotic tastes of the Amarri court. Jade's career veered violently off course when a diplomatic envoy's transport was blown to pieces in mysterious circumstances and she was rescued from the escape pods by the enigmatic genetic mastermind Athule Snanm.
Enaris Kerle GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 160	Posted - 2014.09.30 15:25:00 - [16] - Quote Ms Forum Alt wrote: It does now. But with my idea it might not in 3 months time. Someone would come along and tell you to GTFO wouldn't they. Would that annoy your line members? Having to move out for another corp in your alliance? I submit that it would. Again, it drives conflict. So, we have different levels of truesec held by our coalition now, and it works fine. And, under your proposal, we'll also have different levels of truesec held by our coalition in three months, but for some reason everyone will suddenly start clawing at each other's throats then. Sounds reasonable. Gallente born and raised, and tutored as a pleasure slave and courtesan to the exotic tastes of the Amarri court. Jade's career veered violently off course when a diplomatic envoy's transport was blown to pieces in mysterious circumstances and she was rescued from the escape pods by the enigmatic genetic mastermind Athule Snanm.
Enaris Kerle GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 164	Posted - 2014.09.30 18:53:00 - [17] - Quote Arsine Mayhem wrote: Mallak Azaria wrote: Maybe the blog person can explain how us supporting the tech nerf was self serving, considering we had an agreement on that due to the big coalitions owning all of it. Do I see tears? calling out bullshit isn't tears you **** Arsine Mayhem wrote:** What does that have to do with anything except you spewing the thread. I dunno, you were the one linking the post that claims all of our actions are self-serving Gallente born and raised, and tutored as a pleasure slave and courtesan to the exotic tastes of the Amarri court. Jade's career veered violently off course when a diplomatic envoy's transport was blown to pieces in mysterious circumstances and she was rescued from the escape pods by the enigmatic genetic mastermind Athule Snanm.
Enaris Kerle GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 164	Posted - 2014.09.30 19:08:00 - [18] - Quote Arsine Mayhem wrote: R U Mad? yes, I tend to get angry when confronted with stupid people but do feel free to explain, at any point, how advocating for a tech nerf was one of those self-serving actions of ours, I'm genuinely interested Gallente born and raised, and tutored as a pleasure slave and courtesan to the exotic tastes of the Amarri court. Jade's career veered violently off course when a diplomatic envoy's transport was blown to pieces in mysterious circumstances and she was rescued from the escape pods by the enigmatic genetic mastermind Athule Snanm.
Enaris Kerle GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 164	Posted - 2014.09.30 19:28:00 - [19] - Quote Arsine Mayhem wrote: Stupid people have problems focusing on the subject. everything that was to be said about the original subject must already have been said, because all that's come up in the last couple of pages have been conspiracy theories about how this proposal is GSF trying to... uh make it less mandatory for us to hold as much space as we currently do, and that is somehow bad for the game but by all means, continue advocating for the status quo, I'm sure nobody is discontent with two large powerblocs holding basically all of nullsec short of a couple of rounding errors Gallente born and raised, and tutored as a pleasure slave and courtesan to the exotic tastes of the Amarri court. Jade's career veered violently off course when a diplomatic envoy's transport was blown to pieces in mysterious circumstances and she was rescued from the escape pods by the enigmatic genetic mastermind Athule Snanm.
Enaris Kerle GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 164	Posted - 2014.09.30 19:51:00 - [20] - Quote Ms Forum Alt wrote: The game is finished because the two largest blocs are too chicken to declare war on each other. Where's the point? There's nothing fun about shoving 1500 people (each side) into a system and have them slug it out at 10% tidi in soul-crushing lag. Gallente born and raised, and tutored as a pleasure slave and courtesan to the exotic tastes of the Amarri court. Jade's career veered violently off course when a diplomatic envoy's transport was blown to pieces in mysterious circumstances and she was rescued from the escape pods by the enigmatic genetic mastermind Athule Snanm.

Enaris Kerle GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 164	Posted - 2014.09.30 22:09:00 - [21] - Quote Serendipity Lost wrote: If you think null is deserted now, wait until there are npc stations full of archon fleets and jump clones distributed neatly across all of null. It will make bridging and cynos feel like waiting for a postcard from your great aunt Mammy Thule. (without the mustache) Last time EG deployed half-way across the galaxy, it took about half an hour. Getting carrier fleets anywhere quickly is in no way dependent on NPC stations. Why again would null become more deserted when there's more NPC null? Gallente born and raised, and tutored as a pleasure slave and courtesan to the exotic tastes of the Amarri court. Jade's career veered violently off course when a diplomatic envoy's transport was blown to pieces in mysterious circumstances and she was rescued from the escape pods by the enigmatic genetic mastermind Athule Snanm.
Enaris Kerle GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 164	Posted - 2014.09.30 22:11:00 - [22] - Quote Mikhem wrote: Could Territorial Claim units require POS fuel blocks? This would force large alliances to maintain their areas. We already have towers in pretty much all systems that we control. Fueling TCUs in addition to the tower just means loading one more box of fuel blocks into the Rorqual. Gallente born and raised, and tutored as a pleasure slave and courtesan to the exotic tastes of the Amarri court. Jade's career veered violently off course when a diplomatic envoy's transport was blown to pieces in mysterious circumstances and she was rescued from the escape pods by the enigmatic genetic mastermind Athule Snanm.

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